Spoilers?: None. The movie isn't out yet. This is all theory based on the first and second trailer. But it includes information from my rant "Frozen Hans" so you'll need to finish watching the movie Frozen by indirect spoilers.
Rant warning: this is a rant. Read accordingly. So don't accuse me of hating everything and being overly analytical.
I only saw the second trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IdMPpKMdcc. I haven't seen commercials or anything else about it.
Why does it start with death? (Tadashi is dead as per "isn't gone as long as we remember him" which is a common thing to say when dealing with death.) You just did that in Up then Frozen we don't need it again (especially not twice in a row). He doesn't even need to die. The conversation could go like this. Them: "oh no a super villain! We need you to build a battle robot" Tadashi: "well Baymax took years so I'll need at least a few months" Them: "we don't have that much time". And done now he can't make the plot trivial and you still have to weaponize Baymax.
Seriously a kabuki mask? You might as well be wearing a t-shirt that says "I'm not someone you know". Why else would he be hiding his face? Villains love to brag but the movie hides his face from us? This obviously means something, I can smell a twist. And here it is: he's Tadashi. They have about the same body and who else could it be? Obvious plot twist which is the exact same twist done in Frozen (good guy turns out to be bad). Seriously? A second thing copied from Frozen. Look I know Frozen was a great movie but get over it Disney and be creative. Anyway if he wasn't someone we/ the characters would know then it doesn't make sense to hide his face. At the end of the movie they'd be like "now let's take off this mask and see who it is... IT'S! Some guy we don't know?... Ok whatever." that would be a waste and be weird, Disney wouldn't do that.
Motivation you say? Here it is. Tadashi: "great inventions come from time of need. I build Baymax to make sure you wouldn't die. I just wanted you [his brother] to do great things." done. The entire plot writes itself from here.
Ok I just saw the first trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3biFxZIJOQ). Kabuki mask uses microbots. Strong evidence that it is Tadashi. Also notice how in a scene microbots are about to attack (the one where Baymax says "I am not fast") but then basically waits for them to escape. The microbots are just sitting there being a wall for a few seconds while you guys get a head start. Yeah right.
So what do you want from us Disney? We can't trust white washed tombs and now we can't trust dead people? What's next: we can't trust anyone who isn't Disney? This is a preemptive rant and I hope I don't need a follow up rant after I've seen the movie (but we'll see about that).
Don't get me wrong. I want to see the movie and it looks good. I hope I'm wrong and they they actually put effort into the plot. But this is Disney we're talking about after all. They copied plots from lots of things early on but recently got creative, it's hard to say if they were lazy with the main motivation or not.
Also I just noticed this: the girl that says "a lunatic in a mask just tried to kill us" looks angry. But she doesn't sound very angry and why is she stating the obvious? Well for the trailer but besides that I suspect that she's in on Tadashi's plot as a "man on the inside" to make sure his brother is inventing stuff as planned and making sure the heroes don't get stuck or hopeless etc.
Saturday, November 1, 2014
Frozen Hans
No not "frozen hands" I am referring to the character Prince Hans Westerguard of the Southern Isles from the Disney movie Frozen.
Spoilers!: You need to have finished the movie Frozen.
Rant warning: this is a rant. Read accordingly. So don't accuse me of hating everything and being overly analytical.
Ok many people saw his betrayal coming but how? What evidence does the movie give, ie what foreshadowing is there? And how could we have guessed that?
No apparent villain. Ignoring Hans there was no apparent villain and you would expect a Disney movie to have a villain of some kind. There was The Duke of Weselton. The Duke was in fact a villain but couldn't be taken seriously. He was designed unlikable, bland, and ugly. Disney has a history of great villains and villain songs. Especially recently were the villains have gotten even better. So to see this guy as an obvious step down.. Well let's just say "it's a trap!".
Expect a plot twist. If you looked at the time when Anna got back home there was still room for plenty of movie and there hasn't been a plot twist yet so it seemed like an obvious place to put one. But personally I was expecting Hans to kiss her, nothing would happen, and they'd have to go find Kristoff but the Duke would interfere (to pad the movie despite being unrelated to money which is his only motivation).
Elsa implies they won't be together. She said something like "You can't marry a man you just met". You can't marry a villain but you can marry an ally. This was a weird statement coming from Disney though, have they changed their ways? Are they treating marriage more seriously now, actually requiring a deep relationship? Apparently not since the trolls try to force marry Anna and Kristoff despite only being together for a couple of days. But on the other hand that was a joke and foreshadowing.
Hans's wants to be king. He says he's not in line for his kingdom's throne because he has 12 brothers and sisters. But then he said "the only way for me to see the throne is to marry into it" followed by saying that Elsa was ideal but no one was getting anywhere with her. This indicates that he wants to have a throne which is further supported by his hasty proposal to Anna.
Counter point: there was no signs of Hans being evil. In fact he was nice and specifically told the guards not to kill Elsa even though everyone else wanted her dead. He was friendly, understanding, and cool headed. He openly talked to Anna about his back story and motivations which would appear to be honesty. He was also caring and considerate when he helped save the lives of the citizens at the expense of the kingdom. In fact when the Duke disapproved of spending wealth Hans responded by threatening the Duke showing that Hans is willing to stand up for what is right and defend the weak. Even though they weren't his people yet he was still treating them well even at the cost of his future wealth (which he didn't end up getting).
Disregard all supporting evidence. No apparent villain: The Duke was a villain albeit minor and there didn't actually need to be a villain at all, the whole plot could revolve around the misunderstanding, mistrust, lack of control, etc. If you change the ending so that Anna is saved by the kiss of Kristoff and Hans isn't a villain, then they could've gone to Elsa had a heart warming moment and the plot resolved. It still would've been a great movie even without a villain of any kind (even the Duke). Expect a plot twist: Like I said I was expecting Hans's kiss to fail and Kristoff's to work. Who didn't expect Anna to be healed by the kiss of Kristoff? Elsa implies they won't be together: this implies that the kiss of Hans can't heal Anna but doesn't mean that Hans is evil. For reference see the movie Maleficent and how sleeping beauty failed to wake up the first time (that was too obvious and vague I don't consider it a spoiler). Hans's wants to be king: there are plenty of people who want to be king that are not evil. For reference see many other Disney movies, specifically The Sword in the Stone.
Abraham Lincoln took scissors to the Bible cutting out all miracles and God. He, Hans, and the Pharisees were like white washed tombs: clean on the out side but full of death on the inside (Matthew 23:27). So what do you want from us Disney? You only showed us the outside (until the big twist) of Hans and never showed any indicators that death was inside. Do you want us to be paranoid and distrust even the nicest of people? And don't say "the moral of the story is that you need to get to know people more" BS! We knew more about Hans then we did about Kristoff, for all we know Kristoff is still planing his even more evil plan. No seriously think about this for a second, what do we really know about Kristoff's personality? He is friendly, jokes around by giving Anna a hard time, is more of a loner so he has trouble relating to people. And um... uh... Is that it? Potential off screen character depth that Anna would've learned doesn't count because I'm talking about the viewer's perspective. If I recall he assumed Elsa was hopeless and quickly told Anna to give up. He has more negative character traits than Hans! And we know far less about him. So then why does Disney have this twist? Are the immature enough that they wanted to say "haha you couldn't see the twist that I designed so that you couldn't see it" ignoring the ramifications? Kids watched this movie so they'll pick up on lessons to take away from it even if you don't want them to. And how immature that statement is, that's like laughing at people for not being able to see the invisible man. Of course no one can see him HE'S INVISIBLE! So they were an idiot, did something childish, and potentially corrupted the youth, thanks Disney.
So then how did people know that Hans was evil? They didn't. They guessed based on what they know about Disney. They knew that Disney always has a good villain (the Duke couldn't be taken seriously). They knew that there was going to be a big twist because Disney has been doing that recently and this seemed like the right kind of movie for it. They knew there was still plenty of time left in the movie and saw that the Duke was being a red herring. The Duke was obviously a red herring because Disney always has good villains and the Duke was designed as unlikable and ugly. Why would they include a red herring: there must be a twist villain.
The lack of foreshadowing for Hans was my biggest complaint about the movie Frozen. Fyi the other two are in order: the first song was a big lipped alligator moment which confused me about Kristoff. And the winter dissolved too quickly. I get that the plot is done but it kinda gave me whiplash, couldn't you make it take at least 10 minutes to dissolve? With a fast forward of course. But Frozen is still a great movie and I endorse it.
Spoilers!: You need to have finished the movie Frozen.
Rant warning: this is a rant. Read accordingly. So don't accuse me of hating everything and being overly analytical.
Ok many people saw his betrayal coming but how? What evidence does the movie give, ie what foreshadowing is there? And how could we have guessed that?
No apparent villain. Ignoring Hans there was no apparent villain and you would expect a Disney movie to have a villain of some kind. There was The Duke of Weselton. The Duke was in fact a villain but couldn't be taken seriously. He was designed unlikable, bland, and ugly. Disney has a history of great villains and villain songs. Especially recently were the villains have gotten even better. So to see this guy as an obvious step down.. Well let's just say "it's a trap!".
Expect a plot twist. If you looked at the time when Anna got back home there was still room for plenty of movie and there hasn't been a plot twist yet so it seemed like an obvious place to put one. But personally I was expecting Hans to kiss her, nothing would happen, and they'd have to go find Kristoff but the Duke would interfere (to pad the movie despite being unrelated to money which is his only motivation).
Elsa implies they won't be together. She said something like "You can't marry a man you just met". You can't marry a villain but you can marry an ally. This was a weird statement coming from Disney though, have they changed their ways? Are they treating marriage more seriously now, actually requiring a deep relationship? Apparently not since the trolls try to force marry Anna and Kristoff despite only being together for a couple of days. But on the other hand that was a joke and foreshadowing.
Hans's wants to be king. He says he's not in line for his kingdom's throne because he has 12 brothers and sisters. But then he said "the only way for me to see the throne is to marry into it" followed by saying that Elsa was ideal but no one was getting anywhere with her. This indicates that he wants to have a throne which is further supported by his hasty proposal to Anna.
Counter point: there was no signs of Hans being evil. In fact he was nice and specifically told the guards not to kill Elsa even though everyone else wanted her dead. He was friendly, understanding, and cool headed. He openly talked to Anna about his back story and motivations which would appear to be honesty. He was also caring and considerate when he helped save the lives of the citizens at the expense of the kingdom. In fact when the Duke disapproved of spending wealth Hans responded by threatening the Duke showing that Hans is willing to stand up for what is right and defend the weak. Even though they weren't his people yet he was still treating them well even at the cost of his future wealth (which he didn't end up getting).
Disregard all supporting evidence. No apparent villain: The Duke was a villain albeit minor and there didn't actually need to be a villain at all, the whole plot could revolve around the misunderstanding, mistrust, lack of control, etc. If you change the ending so that Anna is saved by the kiss of Kristoff and Hans isn't a villain, then they could've gone to Elsa had a heart warming moment and the plot resolved. It still would've been a great movie even without a villain of any kind (even the Duke). Expect a plot twist: Like I said I was expecting Hans's kiss to fail and Kristoff's to work. Who didn't expect Anna to be healed by the kiss of Kristoff? Elsa implies they won't be together: this implies that the kiss of Hans can't heal Anna but doesn't mean that Hans is evil. For reference see the movie Maleficent and how sleeping beauty failed to wake up the first time (that was too obvious and vague I don't consider it a spoiler). Hans's wants to be king: there are plenty of people who want to be king that are not evil. For reference see many other Disney movies, specifically The Sword in the Stone.
Abraham Lincoln took scissors to the Bible cutting out all miracles and God. He, Hans, and the Pharisees were like white washed tombs: clean on the out side but full of death on the inside (Matthew 23:27). So what do you want from us Disney? You only showed us the outside (until the big twist) of Hans and never showed any indicators that death was inside. Do you want us to be paranoid and distrust even the nicest of people? And don't say "the moral of the story is that you need to get to know people more" BS! We knew more about Hans then we did about Kristoff, for all we know Kristoff is still planing his even more evil plan. No seriously think about this for a second, what do we really know about Kristoff's personality? He is friendly, jokes around by giving Anna a hard time, is more of a loner so he has trouble relating to people. And um... uh... Is that it? Potential off screen character depth that Anna would've learned doesn't count because I'm talking about the viewer's perspective. If I recall he assumed Elsa was hopeless and quickly told Anna to give up. He has more negative character traits than Hans! And we know far less about him. So then why does Disney have this twist? Are the immature enough that they wanted to say "haha you couldn't see the twist that I designed so that you couldn't see it" ignoring the ramifications? Kids watched this movie so they'll pick up on lessons to take away from it even if you don't want them to. And how immature that statement is, that's like laughing at people for not being able to see the invisible man. Of course no one can see him HE'S INVISIBLE! So they were an idiot, did something childish, and potentially corrupted the youth, thanks Disney.
So then how did people know that Hans was evil? They didn't. They guessed based on what they know about Disney. They knew that Disney always has a good villain (the Duke couldn't be taken seriously). They knew that there was going to be a big twist because Disney has been doing that recently and this seemed like the right kind of movie for it. They knew there was still plenty of time left in the movie and saw that the Duke was being a red herring. The Duke was obviously a red herring because Disney always has good villains and the Duke was designed as unlikable and ugly. Why would they include a red herring: there must be a twist villain.
The lack of foreshadowing for Hans was my biggest complaint about the movie Frozen. Fyi the other two are in order: the first song was a big lipped alligator moment which confused me about Kristoff. And the winter dissolved too quickly. I get that the plot is done but it kinda gave me whiplash, couldn't you make it take at least 10 minutes to dissolve? With a fast forward of course. But Frozen is still a great movie and I endorse it.
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